Winter Wolf Forge

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Well, I sincerely believe there is an uprising of energy going on, hence validity for the first option, but that this first option(higher energy is coming INTO our lives, causing christian increase in “holy spirit” and thus media efforts) might have CAUSED the second(nothing special is occurring, but due to modern uprise of awareness of eastern and non “traditional” beliefs the churches feel threatened and must increase conversion efforts) to occur. The thing about people is we have been severely desensitized (I think that in the past, as in 3000+ years ago, magic and ethereal activity was much more prominent and has been fading since, hence myths about merlin and knights with powerful swords) and this uprising of energy could have been going on for 50 years and we’d not have noticed. The empathy and the powerful pagans might have, but under such scrutiny and pressure from non-pagan sects, why would they bring it up?

I agree, that the churches as separates and as a general mass of political/social entities looking for power are trying to suppress alternate perspectives, because their power comes from the fact that they’ve convinced nearly a billion people that their ideas are right and if you dont follow suit you are doomed beyond the end of your life. They are threatening the quality of existence beyond death, which should be held as morally accountable as threatening someone’s current life, but they’re churches, so its apparently ok. But the thing to remember is the pagan groups have been around for a whole lot longer, they’ve evolved and changed and grown with the times and people that practice, and there is hardly any oppression occurring in their history beyond reciprocated aggression towards those oppressing them in the first place. They were around before Christianity started, before the old testament even, and they will be around after, guaranteed, because no spiritual group that is used as a political tool can survive. People may tell you Wicca is a new tradition, less then 100 years old, and its true, but its because the blood lines of the witches have adapted as they go. Wicca is simply the most recent adaptation, and before that the community of witches was much much more secretive, or accepted as medicinal/herbal/magic members of the community and no mention was made of “evil”.

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Agreed. The thing is the media has been making light of the pagan myths and traditions for a long time. Movies like Ginger, Hokus Pokus, The Craft, etc, have all been using these (in my opinion true) ideas and legends for entertainment, and you know what makes me laugh all over the place: they’re SUPER popular. The Craft is a classic “fantasy” movie. Harry potter is loved by everyone(except me), Lord of the Rings is a household classic now. People are, whether they realize it or not, craving a connection to these aspects of our existence that society has drifted away from and labeld wrong/obsolete/myth/etc. It’s on the rise, its just a matter of time. Look at the huge organic food uprising, but what do you think herbalist pagans and naturalists have been doing for a hundred years? None of it is new, people are just realizing that something is missing in their lives.

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The movie Constantine is, in my opinion, probably a fairly solid account of the potential reality of our universe, or at least some aspects of it.

The transformers thing(movie referencing ancient religious symbols/beliefs): totally not new, like I said, they’ve been using our(now I’m speaking as a member of the collective traditional pagans) beliefs and sacred rites and symbols for their own entertainment for a long time. But you know, I don’t really mind because I know where I stand and I don’t really care if people think its all just a movie. When the cork finally pops there will be no disputing the reality of what is occurring, regardless of how much they might try to write it off, and I’ll just smile and think “I told you so” and be happy knowing I found it on my own, just like you’re doing. But you’re right, the first phases will be hard, are hard, because people negate it as science fiction fantasy.

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Global warming is, as far as my research a while back, actually global climate re-distribution. The poles are getting colder and the equator is getting hotter, which is reducing the gradient, so that the area that is cold enough for ice is smaller but colder and the area that is hot is bigger but not significantly hotter, and that the space between is less of a transition and more abrupt thermaclines. Not sure what the current is on that study, but it makes more sense because my aunt (works in Antarctica every arctic-summer) said the average temp is dropping down there at the actual caps.

And yeah, the earth does this (global climate change/warming) all the time, we’re not causing it, we might just be producing enough green house gas to alter its usual progression, but it’s gonna do it anyways, because a planet’s orbit isn’t perfect, and neither is its rotation speed or tilt. that stuff shifts. It is all far to exact and dependent on itself to not change over time. I wouldn’t mind some aliens though, I mean, it’s pure probability that there are more out there. Read this site, I found it a bit ago and it seams to make sense to me. http://zebu.uoregon.edu/1999/ph123/lec19.html Even if life is super rare and there is only life near 1 of every 1000000 stars, there are still a shit-ton of stars, so there has to be at least a 100,000 other planets in the universe (assuming it isn’t infinitely sized based on the whims of a greater being) with intelligent life. Even if they’re super far away, they could be a hundred times more advanced. I don’t discount the possibility because pure logic states that there’s a decent chance based purely on science. I personally don’t feel an intelligent lifeforms would chose to make a single planet with life. That seams an immense waste of an immense gift/capacity.

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See if you can find the book of Enoch, which is a portion of the bible removed by the catholic church because it linked Christianity to pagan systems of belief as well as masonry I believe.

Gardernarian wicca as I have understood its history is the first branch brought to america by mr Gardener whom claimes(It’s disputed) that he was accepted into an old-style witch coven in europe and that he was sharing what they taught him. This bothers me for two reasons: its part of the wiccan tradition not to publish the book of shadows of a coven. People are supposed to be drawn to the craft enough to search out witches and learn directly, not buy a 10$ book at barnes and nobles. it removes the oral tradition, the whole point behind the BoS, and the human aspect, making it another fad/religion/church. He also gained a ton of popularity and money(?) by bringing it out into the open and gets this “father of wicca” title which is bullshit, because he simply brought it into mass media. He also used his status as the high priest of his first coven to take advantage of people, including many women, and I think that is a severe corruption of his position as high-priest to his coven. Regardless, if you read up on gardenarian wicca, it is similiar to the traditional witchcraft that we once knew and that I am striving to realize through some other traditionalists. Gardernarian wicca also started this neo-pagan new-age witch movement, which I already mentioned is a broken toy that doesn’t know it yet.

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I define “church” as a group that uses spiritual or personal beliefs to direct, control, and manipulate people into doing things their way with threat/suggestion of doom/failure/loss of eternal life/etc. I define religion as one of these sets of ideals being used by these churches. While traditional shamans and traditional wiccans may be fairly standard, when you find real pagans (non neo-fluffies) you will find that there is no propaganda, cohesion, forced belief, standardizing of ideals. If anything a high priest or priestess will try to help guide and teach his/her coven members but if doing his job correctly he should never direct their own spiritual journey directly.

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I agree 100%. The body is simply a material tool/vessel that is granted us so that we can learn and grow in this specific environment before we return to our true selves and take our found knowledge with us. We’ll never know the full point to this until we get back and can use our full capacity to see everything.
On the other hand I might debate that our thoughts are expressions of the partition of our whole self that was sent here to learn. The formulation and processing of ideas and knowledge. Some are good thoughts and some aren’t, we just need to learn what is important. Our thoughts, to me, seem more like our limited self making rationality of the material plane so as to fully take advantage of this opportunity. More or less we’re on the same page: you are seeing it as being a higher-observer of a process that is occurring by a second, lesser entity(correct?), while I am saying that this mental self is a partition of our higher-self, sent here to learn and then return. Regardless, same overall effect, and whatever guides you/myself to learning the most productively is the way we must each use for ourselves.